Financial education

 

I’m working on some projects about teaching finance in schools at the moment (which is why the posts have been a bit rare recently). I’m trying to put together a pilot programme for schools as well as some supporting material such as workbooks and a book (like Taming the Pound) but focussed around children and aimed at parents and teachers.

 

One thing I did was contact a journalist to see if I could get some concise questions to answer to try to get across how important this is.

 

Here’s the result.

 

Should financial education become a compulsory part of the school curriculum?

Yes, teachers want it, parents want it, students need it. But it needs to be integrated intelligently. If it’s another “you must do this pointless subject” it risks being another Latin that dies out in schools, or like the conventional study of Shakespeare that so often puts students off rather than catching their interest.

 

– Are teachers well enough equipped to deliver financial education to the adults of tomorrow?

 

No. If “Over two thirds (70%) of UK adults* have admitted to having debt problems” it doesn’t sound as if most adults know much about how to handle their money, and as “15% of teachers also admitted that they lack expertise in the area of financial education”# it seems clear that teachers are not exceptional in having their own finances under control or really understanding how to teach it. “Do as I say, not do as I do is all very well”, but assuming that the teacher is one of the 85% who think they know how to teach it, but one of the 70% who can’t do it themselves, is that good enough?

*Research by Opinion matters, carried out online between 7/2/2012 and 10/2/2012 questioning 1,510 UK adult respondents

#Survey of 258 secondary school teachers, conducted in December 2011 and January 2012 by Opinium Research

 

Should real life experiences be used in lessons so classes are more relevant to the modern world? E.g. interest rates/APR/mobile phone contracts/mortgages.

Yes, there’s plenty of evidence from Occupational Psychology and business generally that the greater the “fidelity” of the simulation (i.e. the closer to real life) the greater the learning, and that applies to children just as much as to adults learning a new role. With thought, and cooperation between teachers, finance professionals and psychologists, it also makes it easier to integrate the learning. For example, areas such as maths or ICT etc. easy to integrate , but with thought, history, geography or any other area can incorporate principles that are important for personal finance.

 

Can teaching children to think logically about why they want something have more influence on their money management skills in future?

Yes. Any good teacher, coach or psychologist can tell you that why is a more powerful question than how.

 

How to understand the theoretical background to the money supply and the national debt are important if you want a career in economics, but they have very little relevance for most people and where is the motivation to learn them? They are like Latin, it’s a subject that seems abstract and pointless. And assuming current adults know, that knowledge has not been helpful in terms of avoiding national or more important, personal, debt.

 

How to get the best mobile phone deal, how to understand APR etc. have more relevance to the individual, but again, did that knowledge help this generation of adults – not if 70% are in debt and the economy in a double-dip recession. It might be useful, but like Shakespeare, if it is taught the wrong way, it bores most people.

 

If the focus is on “why”, we get a different result. Questions such as, why do you want your own house or why do you want to download music, open up different areas. They allow discussions of the value of experiences against possessions, the necessity of choice (you can’t buy everything), the desirability of credit in certain circumstances, the issues of balancing the repayment of debt in future with having pleasure now.

 

So the “why” questions force people to face issues such as their priorities in life and the role of welfare and charity (which might integrate well into citizenship and religious education, areas that teachers feel students see as not relevant) and provide a motivation to learn important skills such as how (and why, and when) to use a comparison website, why it is important to know the APR on a loan and what the consequences of different rates are. If people in general (not just students), reflected on why they wanted what they wanted, and why aspects such as credit and debt were important to them, they would have a motivation to learn how to handle them. Without that motivation, it is just more boring stuff to learn, like pensions – everybody says they’ll check it up “another time”, because it is complicated, but actually it is because it is boring. But everybody, particularly children, learns interesting material that allows them to do things they want, like how to use a smart phone or social media – those are just as complicated, but if you want them,( so you have a strong “why”), you easily learn how.

 

The way to get decent financial education to everybody, starting with schools, is to ask “why” questions, to invite personal answers to those questions which makes for personal involvement and interest in learning about them.

 

 

 

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Fund managers – worthwhile?

 

 

Interesting comment from a senior official of Lloyds Banking Group to the Treasury Select Committee.

 

He admits that most fund managers aren’t worth what they’re paid.  Which is great news.  Maybe they’ll sack most of them so charges will be lower!

 

Sadly, he (and all the commentators by the look of it) still think that a fund doing well is definitely a sign that the manager is good, not lucky. 

 

At one point, he said “There are definitely people who are very good at fund management over the long term”.

 

I’d love to be on the select committee and be able to ask him questions.  Such as:

 

How did you work out what “very good” looks like, how it differs from “good” and how you measure it and know that it isn’t about being lucky?  And how do you define, “long term”, 10 years, 20, 30, how many funds and teams have been in place that long?

 

How do you calculate the luck factor, given that you’ve got odds of 1 in 4,096 of getting index beating performance for 12 years running and there are over 6,000 funds in the UK?  And given that very few managers (or even teams) carry on running the same fund in the same way with the same criteria for 12 years anyway (let alone 20 or 30), how are you going to judge it – who “creates” the team performance?

 

How do you justify paying these people a fortune when you can’t demonstrate that they are anything other than the lucky few, you don’t really know how to identify them (except by the fact that they have been lucky enough to get good results in the past and there is no guarantee they will in the future) and they may well not be responsible for the results anyway since there is a changing investment team behind them?  So how do you justify the expense when for a fraction of the cost investors can use passive, index linked funds – which perform better and are recommended by the one person who seems to be able to peform better than the index consistently, Warren Buffet?

 

And I’d love to be able to ask him – “OK, tell me who those ‘very good ones’ are.  You can carry on paying yourself and them big bonuses (if you sack the others) but if any of them underpeform you have to pay back all the money you’ve been paid because obviously they weren’t that good.  Or are you saying that actually, you know they have been lucky so far, and you don’t want to bet your bonus on them carrying on being lucky?  So why do you expect the public to be prepared to gamble on your guesses about who is lucky and who is skillful, when you aren’t prepared to put your own money where your own mouth is?”

 

I don’t suppose I’ll get the chance.  But it would be nice to see if he actually understood the questions, since I’m confident he wouldn’t have any satisfactory answers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Teaching children about money

 

I got asked about children and pocket money following research which found that parents are encouraging children to work for their allowance.

 

There were some good questions asked – they’re all actually answered in the book Taming the Pound  but if you’re still waiting for your copy to be delivered (or you haven’t bought it on Kindle!), here’s what I said.

 

How can parents teach their children the value of money?

It depends on the age – small children think in quantity, so five pennies is more than one fifty pence piece, older children understand different value, but they don’t understand consequences (nor do many adults). So give them experience of judging value and let them know consequences – if they can’t pay their mobile bill, they don’t have use of the phone except for emergencies, if they spend all their dinner money on sweets they stay hungry until meal times. They might still spend all their student loan in two weeks, but it’s less likely if they found out years before that spend first, think later is a bad move.

 

 

Why is it important that parents get their children into the saving habit early?

We live up to our image – if you “save at the end of the month, if I have some money”, you’ll never save because

a) you can always spend money left over from saving first, but if you spend first you never have any to save and

b) you define yourself as a non-saver.

So your habit is “if you’ve got it spend it” – you never save. If you save first, you think of yourself as a saver and it becomes a habit. Children learning that the thing you do each month is save, will end up doing it automatically – then the habit they have will be one that will help them.

 

What advice would you give to families who are suffering from the economic downturn?

Everybody ought to think about what they really want, if you’re feeling the pinch it’s even more important. Materialistic attitudes, always wanting more “stuff”, actually make you unhappier. You might become the richest person in the graveyard, but you’ll have a miserable life. It also makes you the servant of the Great God Money – it’s the boss, you’re the slave. Things like relationships, doing work you enjoy, helping others etc., actually make you feel good – and usually don’t cost anything. So prioritise your spending for things that are really necessary and that make you happy long term (like building good relationships, having a purpose to your life) – that way you’re the boss and the money is a tool.

 

What impact can debt-related stress have on an individual?

It impacts on just about everything, mental and physical. People are designed to deal with perceived threat by fighting or running and hiding. You can’t run and hide from a foreclosure order, and hitting the bailiff is not a good plan. We’re not designed to deal with ongoing, low level stress, we’re supposed to see the threat, run or fight, then an hour later we’re back to normal. Nowadays our body and brain chemistry stays unbalanced for months on end – so we have depression, susceptibility to minor illnesses, are more prone to accidents, get headaches, can’t sleep, can’t digest food properly etc. We can end up with a whole range of niggling things, and become more susceptible to serious illness because our immune system isn’t working properly.

 

 

 

 

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Dealing with debt

 
I got misquoted recently.  Somebody had taken some things I’d written, quoted the actions I suggested accurately, but then changed the order.
 
It was for an article about dealing with debt, and they started with making a budget.  Now that sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing to do – after all it is what most “experts” recommend.  But it is wrong, wrong, wrong!
 
Why is more powerful than how.  So start with the why.
 
  1. Why do you want the money, what do you want to do – what is the money for, what do the family want to achieve with it?
  2. Given that’s what you want to do (have a holiday, buy the kids a pony, build an extension to have a playroom – whatever) what are the short and medium term goals?
  3. What is the reality of the situation, do the paperwork, what have you got now, how much debt, what regular commitments, what money are you wasting on things you no longer want or need?  That is where you do a budget, you work out where the money is currently going and compare it to what you want to have happening.
  4. Prioritise – you know what you want, so how much do you want it?  Do you want to coach football enough to give up the overtime, do you want to build the extension enough to bother to change energy suppliers, give up cigarettes and start cooking from scratch instead of buying take-aways and ready meals?  That’s where you get your sources of saving money to achieve the goal, and in the process pay off the debts.
  5. Save the money – knowing why you’re doing it, which gives you the incentive to check out the best ISA, etc.

 

That way round, at each step you have a strong motivation to do all the boring, hard stuff that you aren’t used to.  If you start by doing the boring stuff, like budgeting, you usually give up.  That’s one reason why new year’s resolutions and crash diets don’t usually work, you don’t really prepare or know why you’re doing it, so when the going gets tough, the majority get scared and give up. 
 
The basic problem with the conventional “save lots of money”, make a budget, use lots of will-power, method is that it relies purely on you doing what you “ought” to do and ignores the psychological difficulty of changing habits.  It also ignores the reality that very few of us do what we know we “ought” to do (from giving up smoking, to eating more vegetables, taking more exercise, being nicer to people and not spending too much as a cure for depression about being in debt!).  That’s why most people stay in debt, don’t keep the weight they lose off, etc. they can’t actually change their habits long term because they lack motivation.
 
If you try to do it that way you never work out what the money is for, the money is an end in itself and you remain the slave of the money – it is the money that is at the centre and you follow it round like a dog on a lead.
 
My way gives you the motive to save, so they are more likely to succeed, and you know why you are doing what you are doing (like make a budget, tick off your credit card slips against the bill, etc.).  That puts you and your desires at the centre of things and the money is simply a way to achieve what you want, so the money is your slave.
 
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Press coverage

 

I got some press coverage from the interviews I did  – such as this in the Express, in AOL online and ThisisMoney.
 
There’s also this article on couple’s finances from November last year that I hadn’t spotted, in the Independent.
 
 
 
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Book interview online

I did an interview with the Female First site recently – they were interested in the book.  Here it is

 

Taming the pound interview

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Interviews on Debtpression

 

 

I did about 7 or 8 interviews the other day.

 

Some interviewers wanted to talk only to Robin Taylor, Head of Banking at Co-operative Bank, some only to me, some to both of us.

 

Rather than repeat similar things each time, here are a couple, the interview I did with Louise and Jamie at BBC Wales, 09.10 on 29/2/12 

 

BBC Wales

 

 

And the joint one that Robin and I did with Sunrise Yorkshire with Gail.  It was pre-recorded at about 12.00 on 29/2/12, but I’m not sure of the exact time of broadcast.

 

Sunrise Radio Yorkshire 

 

 

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Educating children

 

I don’t usually focus on other people’s work, but I thought this was impressive.

 

It’s by Rob Diener (who is somebody for whom I have great admiration) one of the world’s leading experts on positive psychology.

 

He’s essentially saying that trying to teach too much to children is counter productive, something that I completely agree with.  In fact, I’ve said pretty much the same in some of my posts.

 

Here’s what Robert said.

 

 

 

 

 

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Debtpression

I’m doing some interviews, in association with Co-op bank, about the phenomenon of “debtpression”, mild but ongoing depression arising from constant low-level debt. 

 

Here’s where and when I’m on, and the region it’s aired in.

 

 

 

Station Name             Area Covered                Date                              

 

Radio 5 Live                   Nationwide                   28/02/12   

Morning Reports     

 21:20:00 – 21:30:00  

Prerecorded

 

Airs across:

  • BBC      Radio Kent
  • BBC      Radio Bristol
  • BBC      Radio Gloucestershire
  • BBC      Radio Lancashire
  • BBC      Radio Wiltshire
  • BBC      Radio Somerset
  • BBC      Radio Tees

 

BBC Radio Cumbria              Cumbria                       29/02/12    

 07:00:00 – 07:15:00   Live

                                         

LBC News 1152 AM              Greater London            29/02/12    

07:45:00 – 08:00:00   Live

                                         

BBC Scotland                       Scotland                         29/02/12    

08:30:00 – 08:45:00   Live

                                         

BBC Radio Wales                 Wales                             29/02/12    

09:00:00 – 09:20:00   Live

                                         

Audio Feature & Business     Podcast Recording       29/02/12    

10:30:00 – 10:45:00   Prerecorded

                                         

BBC Radio Norfolk               Norfolk                           29/02/12    

12:00:00 – 12:15:00   Prerecorded

                                         

Sunrise Yorkshire                 Bradford                         29/02/12    

12:15:00 – 12:30:00   Prerecorded

                                         

BBC Midlands Hub                Midlands                            02/03/12    

19:25:00 – 19:25:00   Live

 

Airs across:

  • BBC Stoke                                                                                  
  • BBC Shropshire
  • BBC Derby
  • BBC Nottingham
  • BBC Leicester
  • BBC Hereford and Worcester
  • BBC Coventry and Warwickshire

 

 

 

 

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If borrowing is the answer

 

II did a piece about people in debt a while ago.

 

One of the things that caused the physical problems I mentioned is that people have chronic debt.

 

That’s, chronic, not in the sense of bad, but of ongoing, of constantly having too much month at the end of the money.

 

Which brings me to a BBC programme about pawnbroking.

 

The use of pawnbrokers is on the rise, apparently, even among people who can afford to pawn items such as a watch valued at over £30,000.

 

I’m not sure that makes a lot of sense in the real world.

 

It is cheaper, we’re told, than alternatives.  The figures given were that for a month’s loan of £100, the redemption charges would be:

 

Pawnbroker £108

Pay day loan £142

Unauthorised bank overdraft £200

 

By my calculations, that means that the relative APR’s are:

 

Pawnbroker 151.82%

Pay day loan 6,621.41%

Unauthorised bank overdraft 409,500%

 

Now there’s no doubt that the pawnbroker is cheapest.

 

But is more than 151% APR a good rate?  It makes credit cards at 25% or so look cheap (and they certainly aren’t). 

 

What is wrong with an authorised overdraft, or even a credit card?

 

Presumably in those situations, the person involved can’t get credit.  But if we’re talking about people who can pawn things of high value, why are they borrowing at 151% or more on a short term basis?  Either their long term financial situation is dire, and a short term loan at extortionate rates will push them further behind, or they genuinely only need a short term top up until things turn out fine again, in which case how did they so mishandle their finances that they have no cash to buy food but have a £30,000 watch?

 

I think the answer is that people adapt very fast on the way up, slowly on the way down.  Like Gerald the “company Director” (played by Tom Wilkinson) in the film, The Full Monte, plenty of people feel they can’t allow the facade to slip.

 

When we face reverses, loss of job, portfolio wrecked, cash crisis, credit card bills, children who want more material goods, human beings try to pretend it hasn’t happened.

 

We continue to live on credit, even when we know that we’re paying a very high price for not being realistic.

 

We could say, “things have turned against me, I need to face reality, to stop playing the market, replacing the car every year, having the glamorous holidays, paying the green fees for the exclusive course”.

 

In other words, to be realistic and to accept that happiness in life doesn’t depend on material goods our grandparents never thought of.

 

But do we do that?

 

Is it really a good idea to encourage banks to lend at “competitive” rates, and to authorise ever higher overdraft limits for people who, on the evidence, are a poor risk for repayment, and who thus should be charged a high rate for high risk, in accordance with the tenets of prudent banking practice?  Didn’t bundling of junk loans and triple A securities contribute to the crash? 

 

So why do we, as a nation, want to do it again?

 

And why would you do it to yourself?

 

 

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